NEW FIGURES SOUND IMPRESSIVE – BUT COME MAINLY FROM BIG CITY FIRMS
Graduate pay is set to rise to £26,000 this year, according to a new survey – but how many people do you know that are earning that much money? Does your salary even come close?
The Association of Graduate Recruiters (AGR) has predicted a jump of 4% in 2012, raising it from £25,000, where it has been stuck since 2009. Between 2006 and 2008 it rose by just 2%, so this leap is being seen as good news for graduates. The survey also shows that the number of graduate vacancies increased last year by 1.7% – although this year vacancies are predicted to drop by 1.2%. But Carl Gilleard, Chief Executive of the AGR, said he was “cautiously optimistic” about graduate recruitment in 2012:
“The predicted increase to graduate salaries is significant and sizeable, particularly given the context of starting salaries remaining stagnant for the past three years. This will no doubt be welcome news to the Government and the higher education sector, but moreover to graduates themselves.”
Sure, the government and the universities will be chuffed – it fits with their “Go to university – you’ll earn more money!” line. But will graduates buy it? Where exactly are all these graduates earning £26,000 a year? Granted, Graduate Fog is a site for jobseekers – but where we’re standing graduates earning fat pay packets are pretty scarce at the moment. So why the discrepancy?
Look closer and you’ll see that these statistics come from a survey of 214 of the AGR’s members, many of which are massive corporations, who you would expect to pay their graduate a good salary. (The list includes Accenture, Barclays and Deutsche Bank). These 214 big businesses hired 21,325 graduates in 2011. Er, what about everybody else?
We have no statistics to challenge the AGR’s finding. But we do hear from graduates every day – and from anecdotal evidence we would hazard a guess that the true average graduate salary (that is, the average salary among graduates that are earning above the minimum wage, in both ‘graduate’ and ‘non-graduate’ jobs) might be closer to… £16,000? At the most, £18,000. And of course that’s without factoring in the estimated 120,000 graduates who are earning less than the minimum wage doing unpaid (or very low-paid) internships.
Could it be that the sample of employers for this poll gives a false impression about how well graduates are really earning? If so, we are concerned that schools, universities and the government will continue to use these numbers to disguise what is really going on out there – that hundreds of thousands of graduates are failing to make their degree pay.
We would like to see statistics that include all graduates, not just the small number who manage to bag plum jobs on prestigious graduate training schemes with big corporations. If we are going to keep encouraging young people to go to university, we need to make sure we are working with accurate information about the likely outcome. We must start dealing in facts, not fantasy.
*Are you earning £26,000?
Do you know many graduates who are? Should statistics about graduate salaries be based on ALL graduates, rather than just those working for big businesses? What would you estimate the true average graduate salary to be?
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I find this hard to relate to. I am a recent graduate, and have been working for 6 months on a salary of around £42k + 20% bonus; (yes, admittedly one of the FTSE companies).
Jesus!! For a starting salary that is excellent. I’m guessing oil & gas or finance. I’m 5 years in and only just over £30k! Actively looking for more now.
I wish I could have been earning that amount just after graduation. Let me know what field so I can switch! ;D
University is a terrible idea since the fees rose, unless your life aspiration is to be a doctor or something regardless of any other factors. I haven’t even finished A levels and my first job is paying 26k per annum…continuing study seemed a waste of time.
It’s all about the business and industry requirements, barely anyone gets a job relevant to their degree subject any more.
Miss N, would you mind sharing what your job role / industry is? Did you do an apprenticeship?
Hi Rich,
No, I haven’t done an apprenticeship. It’s a one off type job to improve processes, so an odd mix of management and administration, and public sector, education.
I don’t know any graduates earning anywhere near that much. These figures must come from positions specifically for graduates (e.g. at big firms) and don’t include the thousands of university-leavers who go into non-graduate jobs. Out of all my friends and acquaintances whose salaries I know, not one is on £26,000, the lowest-paid earns £13,000 and the best-paid is on £21,000. This is 3 years after graduating.
Sophie, your post rings true.
“university-leavers who go into non-graduate jobs.” University is one big opportunity, not just to party
, but to start your careers. There are plenty of opportunities available if you do well at Uni.
In my opinion, every student should aim to do at least 2 summer interships, and one industrial placement (where possible) at Uni. 3 years of uni + good grades + 16 month good work experience should make you pretty attractive to big companies when you graduate.
I know many people who have graduated with very high grades and have worked for free doing internships for an unreasonably long time yet they still can’t find relevant work. Others friends who have been working for a few years now can’t break past the 20k mark in terms of salary. The final year of my degree course will commence in September and while I have completed two internships, taken on freelance projects and my grades are consistenly good I am slightly worried about how difficult it will be to find graduate work.
I think it’s unfair to assume that just because you do everything right at uni you’ll be “attractive to big companies when you graduate”, because from what I can see this is not the case. Competition is very tough and employers can afford to be very lazy because people are now willing to fight to work for free. I would love to know where this average salery of 26k comes from!
I definitely agree with Harriet. My friends and colleagues who have degrees but are in poorly-paid jobs didn’t spent 3 years sitting around drinking. Most have done work experience, voluntary work, internships etc, the fact is that there just aren’t enough ‘graduate’ positions to go around. With around 150-200,000 (an educated guess!) new graduates every year going into a stagnant economy and increasingly limited job pool there are always going to be people who just can’t find a graduate job, no matter how well-qualified they are.
On another note, I have also seen jobs specifically designated as graduate roles advertised at £13,000 per annum. This might just be up North but if an employer requires a degree yet is prepared to pay so little, no wonder many graduates struggle to pay off their student loans. Future students need to ask themselves whether a degree is really worth its cost.
I don’t think it is worth the cost unless it’s something ‘worth’ doing. What were the degrees studied for in the last few posts? Engineering usually has quite a lot of job opportunities – doesn’t pay amazingly well long-term but not a bad one to get into.
“have worked for free doing internships for an unreasonably long time yet” Please ask your friends not to work for free, that’s ridiculous. Ok, question to you, would you hire a new graduate who did an internship at a good company making 40k/year (possible) or a graduate who did loads of free volunteering work? – People evaluate your skills/value with past work details (salary/company reputation etc.) subconsciously.
Your graduate salary for most awesome companies (where the salary is not advertised) is based on your previous earnings.
“Competition is very tough and employers can afford to be very lazy because people are now willing to fight to work for free.” – Well please, pretty please, stop working for free! Yes I agree competition is hard (life ain’t fun if its easy eh?), I did over 40 interviews before getting my well paid and challenging internship.
I volunteer, because I want give back to society and get skills I can’t get elsewhere, but my personal belief is never ever work for ‘for profit’ organisations for free.
“the fact is that there just aren’t enough ‘graduate’ positions to go around. ” – True, its up to you to fight hard, and get the ones(there are quite a few) that are available.
I can argue all day that there are awesome jobs up for grabs, and others can argue that its so hard. I guess you just have do your best, and pray
One suggestion, if you want companies to look for you, take part in a recognized competition in your field of study, and win! (something I hope one day I would be able to do) – the best companies will find you, you won’t have to send a single application. Imagine if you say your a member of Mensa, see their requirements, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensa_International#Membership_requirement), wouldn’t any interviewer be impressed?
All the very best.
Mr X, the friends I know who have been working for free or struggling with pay mainly work in advertising, fashion and graphic design. All of which are competitive industries due to the fact that they have become fashionable career choices. You’re probably right with engineering.
I couldn’t agree more that people should stop working for free! The internships I’ve done whilst studying have been unpaid, I do feel like I have made progress in aspects of my career but it did also feel like I was underselling myself somewhat. I would never work for free (at least not for a ‘for profit’ organisation) after graduating, I don’t think anyone should. But people do so I guess its become somewhat of a catch 22 situation there – the more people who do it, the more it becomes expected!
I think you have a great positive outlook, and I’m not just sat complianing about how hard life is all day (I do work hard and I want to succeed!), it’s just all a little daunting when you hear of so many talented and intelligent people having a really hard time. You do have to stay positive though and it’s good to hear that it is possible to get a decent paid internship after graduating if you try hard enough!
Pretty hard to get a job in those from what I hear, unfortunately for those involved.
I agree, working for nothing… what a con. I thought they abolished slave labour? One step worse than working in America (with next to no holidays!)
Apologies for the America comment – my personal take on it and I perhaps shouldn’t have aired that opinion.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the true average is around 26k. Sure most people don’t earn that and the median is probably closer to 18-21k but investment banking jobs, law, jobs and more recently oil and gas jobs for engineers, routinely pay above 40k. For example I just got my first graduate job with an investment bank and pre-bonus its 53k.
It doesn’t take many people a long way from the median to skew the mean, but its still the average. As a general rule though if you are talented and have the right skill set to get into the above industries don’t settle for much less than 40k. You’ll need a good uni degree which costs a lot these days, but with that kind of pay it’s obviously worth it. For everyone else don’t expect much more than 20-22k starting salary.
Did you have a maths/physics background to get into IB?
Well done with the high starting salary! You’re right – unless you’re in one of those areas, you have to settle for less. I’m looking at a potential move into oil & gas myself (from electronics) but will see what happens. I got an offer for a financial consultancy back in 2007, starting salary £45k but I turned it down to go into electornics on £26k. I couldn’t face London and I saw what it did to a friend of mine – hopefully you will have a better experience.
53k starting? Jeez. These investment banking salaries are ridiculous.
Most people who go into it aren’t even the most intelligent graduates, they just happen to know the right people. Or maybe daddy gets them in.
I’m a first year doctor earning half that. I wouldn’t swap it though, as medicine is so much more rewarding in every other way. I can guarantee that most doctors are just as intelligent as those who go into investment banking, but for some unknown reason bankers think they are special.
It’s not uncommon for a friend of mine in the “City” to get a bonus of up to twice his annual salary… tougher these days, mind you. He works all hours – no life
I’ve been researching field engineering for oil companies – seems ROUGH. 100 hour weeks in all weather, think I might give it a miss. Electronics may not pay obscene salaries but at least I can live in some great cities and do an interesting job. We will see what happens!
I don’t know any doctors. Do you think your salary is representative of your peers? I thin kit’s the same for vets – plenty of money can be made later on but starting salaries are no what many think. I expect you to overtake me easily at some point…!
Just a note, you don’t have to be in London to find these high paying jobs. Plenty up North if you are in the right field (computing here, with 42k up north).
i didn t go to uni , couldnt be bothered to study , just attended a high school . i found a job as chemist strating with 17k during the probitionary period and after it i got my salary risen to 22 k . i m 21 yo.
i think it really depends on the sector and the company you work for, and if you get your job done properly and have a honest boss you ll be rewarded.
I guess,sometimes, it s a matter of luck as well XD
For example I have a mate i share the house with who is a fresh graduated (3 years microbiology course) and he gets 16 k
I have graduated from Leeds Uni with 2:1, done the GDL and LPC, and I am on £17k- I now wish I had NEVER done over five years of study and worked as hard as I have for less than I earned leaving school as a sales assisant- what a waste of time!
@law graduate
as a computing graduate i know how you feel, you see some entry jobs but they want experience and only want to pay rubbish money, you could get more money stacking shelves in a supermarket, than getting a degree and then trying to find a graduate job
in turkey recent graduates in IT make 24K pound yearly..
i expected UK pay more as life is twice expensive there
I think it really comes down to what degree the person is studying. a person studying engineering or law will find it easier to get a higher paying job then a person studying photography.
I just got a job offer for a consultant role aat 35k starting salary, not as high as IB but I’m sure the hours are much better.
It depends hugely on your interview performance and the uni you got your degree from, a lot of big firms won’t even consider applications from anything but the top 5.
Recently secured a new job in the high forties, 45% rise on what I was previously on. And not living in London I will be saving a fortune! Studying engineering is something I don’t think I’ll ever regret! Not as high as lawyers/bankers/doctors but at the same time I’ve got a life, so a happy medium.
I thought I would try and share some insight and some facts (from my experience) so far as a recent grad. I think it is very easy to play into national statistics and what you read in popular media. However the fact is, there are graduates who end up jobless, and some with high-end salary/packages.
I graduated in 2011 with a 2:1 BA(hons)in Risk Management (picking mostly quantitative subjects). I moved to London literally the day after graduating (start of July) and went into a more sales orientated position for a small consultancy (risk consultancy that is). My basic was £23k, my bonus was £25k = total comp of £48k + benefits.
Last month (October 2012) I wanted to do something more relevant/quantitative so I have a new job in aviation for a major airline, doing Pricing Analytics. My new/current basic salary in my new position is £31,500 + 5% bonus + benefits (that work out around £15k) = total comp is now £48,500 (roughly).
I believe if you have studied a practical/relevant degree, if you are willing to travel to find a job you want to do, able to communicate well throughout your interview process then you will be able to find a decent salary.
A couple of points to take a way from this.
Education is and always will be important – especially for future opportunities and growth.
Study something relevant/useful.
Apply to companies you know are hiring.
Learn to think and plan for long term, not short term.
Your £48k salary straight after graduation is very impressive. Likely it will rise higher and higher. In engineering, I’m only just on that after 6 years! Is your new job also in London? I think these figures are well above average and definitely not normal.
Hey all,
Like many of you I’m a recent UK graduate (Economics 2:1) but moved back to my native country to start my career as a financial analyst, simply because I knew I was better off starting here than in the UK.
I do keep in touch with my classmates and keep regular tabs on the UK industry and it’s safe to say there are salaries that go way higher than 26K and sadly…the other way down too. The difficulty of obtaining such graduate jobs i sdue to high demand from graduates, limited availability of the jobs and the unpredictable economical state of the EU atm.
I can only stress to all that a uni degree is VERY important as well as work experience (internships etc..) and a good combination of the two…will get you (hopefully) somewhere close to the average mentioned in the article.
I am a 2012 grad, BSc Comp Sci, IT consultancy firm, Sales/BDM role £35-36k/year.
All I can say is that my friends who did sciences/technical/business qualifications are nearer £30k, and those that did not, are closer to minimum wage (and not in grad schemes!)
My advice: Be realistic. The new fee structure is a SERIOUS financial commitment. Especially when your degree gives you the skills you could learn taking evening or weekend classes.
Well done, that’s a good starting salary – based in the South?
The fees for going to University now… wow… I had £15k worth of debt upon leaving. 6 years later (living at home on decent money) and still £7k left. I’ll be 30 when it’s paid off. Nowadays with closer to £40-50k levels of debt… I just cannot imagine it – horrendous! I would rather do a trade and work my way up.
I definately think that my experience in university was once in a life time, I’ve met so many different people, and those connections are in some way more useful then the digree itself. I went to LSE in 2007 and graduated in 2010 with a 2:1 and one summer internship on my cv, I started my job-searching in my final year, and had 3 offers before I graduated. The one I took (Morgan Stanley) offered my a front office job, 68k + 10k golden hand-shak, and promised 50% to 150% bonus upon proformance. The job was demanding (100 hour per week easily) but in my secoand year I was able to befriend with most of my co-workers, and was offered a pomotion. I am now on 120k + bonus, and non of these would have been possible without my degree. ( And no, I did not have any connections with any banks before my graduate job)
Wow, good money. Mate of mine works in London but says the climate for financial sector employment is pretty grim – sounds like you’re upbeat about it, though? LSE – considered it myself but the COST! Plus not keen on those 100 hour weeks – is that a reality for you?
Left uni in 2010 with a 2:2 in computer science.
Did factory work for 6 months on min wage till first IT job at £13,500 at a food automation company. Spent 8 months there as a stepping stone to a national services company on £25,000
Next step after 18 months or so was to move to a global aviation manufacturer in Derby (not hard to guess where) to 30k plus a 2k bonus. So I feel after a sluggish start I am where I want to be, and if things dont work out ill look into contracting or setting up my own consultancy.
Granted im not on London money but I don’t want to live in London as my friends and life are where I am now. I spent my evenings self teaching myself new things and not counting on my degree for work! But now I have experience in IT i feel my degree is pretty much worthless
Some really interesting points made throughout however there needs to be a greater focus on preparation for university. I.e. schools (being allowed to) have students challenge their decisions more.
What I mean is asking questions like “Will being a graduate in this subject make me employable?” if not then think carefully before taking on the course. I have a friend who has a 1st from a good uni in Sports Science and is constantly complaining about not getting as much as some areas. Frankly, what was he expecting? All the data before he started studying suggested that he is now earning exacly what he should have expected to be earning.
Secondly we need to dispell the myth (or lie if you prefer) that university is automatically the better choice. If you ask yourself the the question “Do I need a degree to do the job that I want to do?” If the answer is no, why are you going? In cases such as these you are far better off training in industry and doing your degree part time if you are determined to have a degree.
The bigger problem through all of this is that people have not taken the time to look into the commitment that they are making and seeing where it is likely to take them. If you study a degree with low earning potential or poor job prospects, then this is what you should expect when you come out the other end.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming the individuals; there is a government led movement in schools, established by New Labour, that forbids teachers from giving such advice on the basis that it may ‘stem independent decision making’. The system of guidance in the UK is broken, badly.
I graduated with a 2.1 Computer Science degree, from a top 10 UK university in 2010. I struggled to find work for the first 5-6 months, and finally when I got my first job, it was 17k!
For those who found jobs £30k+ must be have done something I did not do.
I am curious as to what type of degree, or work sector gave you this awesome pay. Is my Computer Science degree useless? Should I have taken Maths?!?!
Sam, I would say computor science is definatly a good degree in terms of pays, one of my best friend did computer science at UCL. Him and I grow up together and I believe he managed to obtaint a 2:1 degree from UCL in 2010(same year as me). I think it took him a while (maybe 2 or 3 months?) But he did find his first job here in london for a not so well-established company, and the salary was well above 30k, with the perfect working pattern (9-5, 5 days a week). Where have you been looking for jobs? Because most of my friends have done very well since we graduated, and most of them found jobs in London.
WHO HERE THINKS LEO \/ \/ \/ IS EITHER LYING OR A TOTALLY TWAT!?
Also 26,000 is no way right……
I think that obtaining a good degree is an achievement and although it may not pay off in the short term, in the long term it is a good thing to have under your belt. Even menial jobs nowdays require a degree, and to be fair I don’t know anyone without a degree from my generation that has done well. I understand that work experience is also desireable but in this day and age employers expect a degree and experience. I would advise any prospective students to live at home to avoid living costs, since tuition fees have risen considerably, unless you want to study a subject that direclty leads to a well paid career, ie Medicine.
I am completing my third year of my economics degree at a mediocre redbrick uni. My experience is limited to a few society positions and a few part-time jobs gained before and during my degree. I wanted to go into finance: which is quite competitive and after talking to others, I thought it would be extremely hard to find a good grad job. I took my time in each application, deeply researching and redrafting each of my four applications. Within a few weeks I passed the usual stages for 3/4 of the companies usual selection processes…. application> online tests> tele interview> face interview> assessment centre. I accepted the 1st job offer I received as it was my favourite, and opted out of the other AC’s. My point is, despite what everyone is saying, if you put the time into the application and can express the skills they are looking for, then it is relativity easy to get a grad job. To many people spend too long looking for jobs and not enough time securing a job, and they are the people that moan that its too hard!
F.Y.I the job I am set to start next year has a 1st year salary of £33k + bonus
Really, I am an LSE International Relations and History graduate, who gained a 2:1 in 2010. I have been working since high school, in retail stores and charity shops, so I definitely do not lack experience. Nevertheless, I still am on minimum wage – that’s 12,000 pa . It’s not that I don’t try to get on a graduate scheme, but being from a comprehensive school, I find it harder than others to know how to pass an assessment centre.
Figures such as those published only do one thing: actually prevent new graduates from entering the work place. It sets expectations too high and gives fresh graduates the impression that they are worth something, when in reality, they are not.
A harsh dose of reality: I’m 43, graduate, with many years experience and have been unable to find work that pays enough for outgoings (mortgage etc, yes how many fresh graduates will be tied to the bank?).
My most recent interview I was offered, for a graduate level job, requiring experience, which no fresh graduate will have…..
£18,000.
This is in a ‘proper’ field, electrical engineering.
Now, whenI graduated in 1994 it was being touted that the average wage for new graduates was £20,000. Graduate unemployment was very high, and the reality as that graduates were being offerred in the region of £11k. I remember one job going for IBM in London for £8k.
Unfortunately, apart from econmics graduates they do not seem to teach students the harsh realities of supply and demand economics.
A degree entitles you to…NOTHING. And you will learn that very quickly indeed.
There is much truth in the above comments:
Firstly some (including our beloved government representatives) have ignored the basic tenet of supply, i.e. if you have more of something then it is worth less. For those who are confused, this is why soil is worth less than diamond. New Labour led a drive to get 50% of people through university. Why? Our economy never needed a 50% graduate rate nor was it ever likely to. Hence graduates, particularly those in high supply, low demand sectors, are struggling to find work let alone well-paying work. I am however surprised that an electrical engineering graduate is finding this a difficulty.
I should also point out there is a difference between “graduate” salary and “graduating” salary. The latter refers only to those entering their first job whereas the £26000 figure refers to anyone who has a degree, irrespective of whether they got it this year of thirty years ago. So those who’ve got their degrees in, say, the last five years and are expecting to be hitting this figure are perhaps not quite understanding what it actually represents. The average person should be aiming to hit this mid-career, although the law of averages states that some may never reach it.
I couldn’t verify what a few people said above regarding the graduate salary at an investment bank is true or not, but I really doubt the figure 53k is true.
I am working at one of top investment bank as a risk analyst, it has been two years now. The environment is totally doomed here, more and more people got sacked, most are from senior level, and the bank has not intention to fill the position. It ends up with same salary but more work for other peoples in the team.
Back to graduate role, guess how many graduate have been hired this year?……5 people! (vs 200+ in pre-2008) There is no way for Investment bank to pay as much as 50k+ bonus just for a grad. It is such a joke. The standard payout structure is senior eat out 90% of compensation and bonus pool and left little to VP and junior analyst, don’t even mention graduate. Investment bank as an industry is officially over, especially in London.
Wow, this is nice. Im stuck in a term time admin job and getting paid under 10k a year. Im a History graduate and have only managed to get myself a proper job a mere 2 years after i graduated…
I graduated in 2011 went to work for one of the best known companies in the world -and was getting paid a measily £8/ph (after the agency would take their cut)! Than after 3 months moved to a small company as a financial analyst earning £24. Hated the job do moved again to a brilliant company and now work in marketing and am earning around £31. My expirrence is blagging in your interviews selling yourself and telling them
How much your worth rather than them putting a price on u. The markrting job was advertised at 23 for a junior (which i was as id never been in marketing before) but i was convincing in my interview. Make sure u always demand more when offered the job esp when u know they liked u!
Just graduated from Uni with a 2:1 in Chemistry (finally!)
Most my friends have jobs paying £20K – £29K a year. So I guess the £26K average is more accurate for some courses than others.
I don’t plan on getting a job though – I want to get into PROPERTY INVESTING