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		<title>Comment on Has the National Trust launched the most humiliating internship ever? by ash</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2011/1296/national-trust-internship/comment-page-2/#comment-293939</link>
		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 11:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie, unfortunately inot all sites follow those guidelines. For instance when i volkenteered only 10 miles were covered and the volunteers didnt get cake. They were often put down by staff and the interns were not appreicated often being moaned at for not being able to work 7 days amongst other issues. Internships can be a great idea as long as they are only a couple months and do not replace orvdo the work of paid staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie, unfortunately inot all sites follow those guidelines. For instance when i volkenteered only 10 miles were covered and the volunteers didnt get cake. They were often put down by staff and the interns were not appreicated often being moaned at for not being able to work 7 days amongst other issues. Internships can be a great idea as long as they are only a couple months and do not replace orvdo the work of paid staff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Has the National Trust launched the most humiliating internship ever? by Craig</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2011/1296/national-trust-internship/comment-page-2/#comment-293938</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 11:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not only do they cover my travel expenses, but I get free tea, coffee and cake, as well as free entry in to other NT properties and a generous discount in their cafes and shops.&quot;

Pretty sure those are benefits in kind - the discount especially is... That would entitle any volunteer to legally be paid the national minimum wage according to s.44 of the National Minimum Wage Act...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not only do they cover my travel expenses, but I get free tea, coffee and cake, as well as free entry in to other NT properties and a generous discount in their cafes and shops.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty sure those are benefits in kind &#8211; the discount especially is&#8230; That would entitle any volunteer to legally be paid the national minimum wage according to s.44 of the National Minimum Wage Act&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Has the National Trust launched the most humiliating internship ever? by Marie</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2011/1296/national-trust-internship/comment-page-2/#comment-293792</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 22:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this a couple of weeks ago, and originally I thought the article raised some interesting points of view that I had never considered before. However since then I have started volunteering for the NT. Not only do they cover my travel expenses, but I get free tea, coffee and cake, as well as free entry in to other NT properties and a generous discount in their cafes and shops. I&#039;ve also spoken to some people doing internships with the NT, and in all cases they had been provided with lodgings either on the site or nearby. I believe this to be a fair trade for the skills and experience they are offering, especially in such a competitive job market, and your exclusion of this information makes your article seem like nothing more than poorly researched, hate-mongering bullcrap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this a couple of weeks ago, and originally I thought the article raised some interesting points of view that I had never considered before. However since then I have started volunteering for the NT. Not only do they cover my travel expenses, but I get free tea, coffee and cake, as well as free entry in to other NT properties and a generous discount in their cafes and shops. I&#8217;ve also spoken to some people doing internships with the NT, and in all cases they had been provided with lodgings either on the site or nearby. I believe this to be a fair trade for the skills and experience they are offering, especially in such a competitive job market, and your exclusion of this information makes your article seem like nothing more than poorly researched, hate-mongering bullcrap.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graduates on benefits &#8211; strivers or skivers? by Jamie</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2013/2484/graduates-benefits-strivers-skivers-welfare-reforms-iain-duncan-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-293470</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 12:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely sign on. It is what it is there for. I have been on it twice. Once for a month after uni and once when I got made redundant for 6 weeks. They treat you like and idiot and you have to line up with some dodgy characters, but in the end it would only be you losing out if you do not. They will pay for you to go to interviews if it is outside your local area too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely sign on. It is what it is there for. I have been on it twice. Once for a month after uni and once when I got made redundant for 6 weeks. They treat you like and idiot and you have to line up with some dodgy characters, but in the end it would only be you losing out if you do not. They will pay for you to go to interviews if it is outside your local area too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Graduates on benefits &#8211; strivers or skivers? by Rose</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2013/2484/graduates-benefits-strivers-skivers-welfare-reforms-iain-duncan-smith/comment-page-1/#comment-293469</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 12:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just finished my degree and am reluctant to sign on for JSA as I feel it would be a massive step backwards. 

Has anyone signed on after Uni? How was it for you? Is it a good idea? 

I know I can&#039;t survive on the remnants of my student loan forever, but I would like to try and get a job before doing what I view as &#039;giving up&#039; and signing on. 

I think it&#039;s just a massive pride thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just finished my degree and am reluctant to sign on for JSA as I feel it would be a massive step backwards. </p>
<p>Has anyone signed on after Uni? How was it for you? Is it a good idea? </p>
<p>I know I can&#8217;t survive on the remnants of my student loan forever, but I would like to try and get a job before doing what I view as &#8216;giving up&#8217; and signing on. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s just a massive pride thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blog by Best blogs for students - Rooms4u</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/blog/comment-page-1/#comment-293444</link>
		<dc:creator>Best blogs for students - Rooms4u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] get clued up and ensure you&#8217;re thinking on the right track for your future. Grads.co.uk and Graduate Fog also have some great articles which might prove helpful in your search for that perfect [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] get clued up and ensure you&#8217;re thinking on the right track for your future. Grads.co.uk and Graduate Fog also have some great articles which might prove helpful in your search for that perfect [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Debate: What do you wish you&#8217;d known before you graduated? by James</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2013/2481/wish-you-knew-before-graduate-graduation/comment-page-1/#comment-293341</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 21:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most graduates are likely to be pretty aware of how difficult the current job market is. I graduated with a 1st class on honours in Chemistry and a masters degree in management, but my UCAS points were pretty low so I didn&#039;t meet the minimum requirements for most of the graduate schemes. I was informed by a representative of PWC at a graduate fair that you &quot;could have a 2.1 in economics or basket weaving, as long as you have 320 UCAS points&quot; then the guy turned round and told my friend who had 300 UCAS points and was on course for a 1st in economics &amp; finance that he probably wouldn&#039;t be considered. It sounds pretty unbelievable but that&#039;s exactly what happened. I think the market is pretty saturated with graduates and the top firms can afford to be ultra picky. I applied for a number for a number of graduate schemes before graduation but was unsuccessful.

So what would my advice be? If I were giving advice to someone in a similar position. 

I would tell them to target graduate jobs rather than grad schemes. That doesn&#039;t mean applying to lots of graduate level jobs whilst you are studying. Pick an industry you would be interested in working in; take a look at job requirements for entry level roles, roles with a years work experience, and a few roles requiring five years experience etc. Try and get a feel for the kind of jobs which are on offer in the industry. Ask yourself where you could be in 2 years time, is there potential for progression, are there certain niche jobs which pay more? This will give you a more realistic mid-term plan. 

You need to get some feel for how the industry operates, there&#039;s always information online or in books. If you want a job in the city, there&#039;s a book called how the city works.

When I graduated I was told by a rather helpful recruitment consultant that my CV was too general, it didn&#039;t shout what industry I wanted to get into. Make you CV shout the industry, don&#039;t think of your CV as a history of you. Think of it as a way to show an employer what you can do for them (and not in a used car salesman way either), make sure it shows direction and commitment, if you have the cash to spend on that 1st professional qualification then go for it. But if you don&#039;t write down the name and say you are reading toward it!! it shows that you have done your research and that you have some direction and passion.

Really you want to try and get some work experience in your chosen field, I ended up spending three months working for free before I got my current job. But don&#039;t limit yourself to three month internships, and paid/unpaid work experience. Try and get talking to someone in the industry, send out emails, then follow up with a phone call. You are not looking for a job!! tell them that you are really interested in working in the industry and that you would like to ask them some questions over a coffee/ lunch if they have time. If it seems appropriate to ask, then see if their is any chance of getting some work experience. My brother got his first graduate job cold calling smaller firms &amp; consultancies, don&#039;t be afraid to pick up the phone as it demonstrates good communication skills (if you have them), talking to someone is more tangible than email. If you have friends or family in the industry then you really meed to make the most of those connections, it&#039;s not fair on those who don&#039;t have them, but life&#039;s not fair (sorry guys).

I think that if you do stuff like this think out of the box a little, and use a little strategy, you can still find your way into great jobs. But it&#039;s important to remember also that you can be doing everything right and things still won&#039;t work out for you. Life is chaotic, it&#039;s like chemistry sometimes you need just the right orbital overlap to start a reaction, and for that you need a little luck lol. So don&#039;t beat yourself up. Oh and if you want to work in finance etc. or something numerate for god sakes learn how to use excel, it&#039;s such a selling point.

Anyway not sure if anyone will bother reading this but never mind, hope it helps someone.

Btw I got my graduate job. &quot;back in the game....&quot; &quot;I am the f****n&#039; game pal!&quot;DRama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most graduates are likely to be pretty aware of how difficult the current job market is. I graduated with a 1st class on honours in Chemistry and a masters degree in management, but my UCAS points were pretty low so I didn&#8217;t meet the minimum requirements for most of the graduate schemes. I was informed by a representative of PWC at a graduate fair that you &#8220;could have a 2.1 in economics or basket weaving, as long as you have 320 UCAS points&#8221; then the guy turned round and told my friend who had 300 UCAS points and was on course for a 1st in economics &amp; finance that he probably wouldn&#8217;t be considered. It sounds pretty unbelievable but that&#8217;s exactly what happened. I think the market is pretty saturated with graduates and the top firms can afford to be ultra picky. I applied for a number for a number of graduate schemes before graduation but was unsuccessful.</p>
<p>So what would my advice be? If I were giving advice to someone in a similar position. </p>
<p>I would tell them to target graduate jobs rather than grad schemes. That doesn&#8217;t mean applying to lots of graduate level jobs whilst you are studying. Pick an industry you would be interested in working in; take a look at job requirements for entry level roles, roles with a years work experience, and a few roles requiring five years experience etc. Try and get a feel for the kind of jobs which are on offer in the industry. Ask yourself where you could be in 2 years time, is there potential for progression, are there certain niche jobs which pay more? This will give you a more realistic mid-term plan. </p>
<p>You need to get some feel for how the industry operates, there&#8217;s always information online or in books. If you want a job in the city, there&#8217;s a book called how the city works.</p>
<p>When I graduated I was told by a rather helpful recruitment consultant that my CV was too general, it didn&#8217;t shout what industry I wanted to get into. Make you CV shout the industry, don&#8217;t think of your CV as a history of you. Think of it as a way to show an employer what you can do for them (and not in a used car salesman way either), make sure it shows direction and commitment, if you have the cash to spend on that 1st professional qualification then go for it. But if you don&#8217;t write down the name and say you are reading toward it!! it shows that you have done your research and that you have some direction and passion.</p>
<p>Really you want to try and get some work experience in your chosen field, I ended up spending three months working for free before I got my current job. But don&#8217;t limit yourself to three month internships, and paid/unpaid work experience. Try and get talking to someone in the industry, send out emails, then follow up with a phone call. You are not looking for a job!! tell them that you are really interested in working in the industry and that you would like to ask them some questions over a coffee/ lunch if they have time. If it seems appropriate to ask, then see if their is any chance of getting some work experience. My brother got his first graduate job cold calling smaller firms &amp; consultancies, don&#8217;t be afraid to pick up the phone as it demonstrates good communication skills (if you have them), talking to someone is more tangible than email. If you have friends or family in the industry then you really meed to make the most of those connections, it&#8217;s not fair on those who don&#8217;t have them, but life&#8217;s not fair (sorry guys).</p>
<p>I think that if you do stuff like this think out of the box a little, and use a little strategy, you can still find your way into great jobs. But it&#8217;s important to remember also that you can be doing everything right and things still won&#8217;t work out for you. Life is chaotic, it&#8217;s like chemistry sometimes you need just the right orbital overlap to start a reaction, and for that you need a little luck lol. So don&#8217;t beat yourself up. Oh and if you want to work in finance etc. or something numerate for god sakes learn how to use excel, it&#8217;s such a selling point.</p>
<p>Anyway not sure if anyone will bother reading this but never mind, hope it helps someone.</p>
<p>Btw I got my graduate job. &#8220;back in the game&#8230;.&#8221; &#8220;I am the f****n&#8217; game pal!&#8221;DRama</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black graduates 3x more likely to be jobless six months after uni by TAB</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2013/2547/black-graduates-unemployed-times-jobless-months-university/comment-page-1/#comment-293319</link>
		<dc:creator>TAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Asians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Asians?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black graduates 3x more likely to be jobless six months after uni by Keshia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keshia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In answer to the question I think black people struggle to find work because although I wouldn&#039;t say people are directly racist they are definitely prejudice - they prefer to be around their own kind. Which is very sad. I&#039;m the only black person at this agency I work at, and I consider it a miracle because I&#039;ve never seen a black person at a marketing or advertising agency, but they were loads of black people on my marketing course at uni, I wonder where they are?. Although my salary is crazy low. I consider myself lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to the question I think black people struggle to find work because although I wouldn&#8217;t say people are directly racist they are definitely prejudice &#8211; they prefer to be around their own kind. Which is very sad. I&#8217;m the only black person at this agency I work at, and I consider it a miracle because I&#8217;ve never seen a black person at a marketing or advertising agency, but they were loads of black people on my marketing course at uni, I wonder where they are?. Although my salary is crazy low. I consider myself lucky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Black graduates 3x more likely to be jobless six months after uni by Keshia</title>
		<link>http://graduatefog.co.uk/2013/2547/black-graduates-unemployed-times-jobless-months-university/comment-page-1/#comment-293225</link>
		<dc:creator>Keshia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this hilarious in a very dark way, because I am black and I was unemployed exactly 6 months after university. I&#039;ve now managed to find a job as a Social Media Executive which is the industry that I want to work in. For which I&#039;m only being paid 17500 a year which for an executive is extremely low. I&#039;ve only been here two months though so hopfully things will improve. Before that I had to work as a Marketing Assistant for a year and a half which was basically admin work. I don&#039;t find this surprising as I do find myself often asking if I would have higher pay or had an easier ride if I was white. I&#039;m 23 in two months and I&#039;m only on £17,500 a year I seriously hope my salary improves soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this hilarious in a very dark way, because I am black and I was unemployed exactly 6 months after university. I&#8217;ve now managed to find a job as a Social Media Executive which is the industry that I want to work in. For which I&#8217;m only being paid 17500 a year which for an executive is extremely low. I&#8217;ve only been here two months though so hopfully things will improve. Before that I had to work as a Marketing Assistant for a year and a half which was basically admin work. I don&#8217;t find this surprising as I do find myself often asking if I would have higher pay or had an easier ride if I was white. I&#8217;m 23 in two months and I&#8217;m only on £17,500 a year I seriously hope my salary improves soon.</p>
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