JOB CENTRE TOLD HIM AND NINE OTHERS TO COMPLETE SIX WEEK PLACEMENT IN BOLTON SHOP
* GRADUATE FOG EXCLUSIVE *
Poundland has denied using unpaid workers to stack shelves in its stores, directly contradicting a source who has told Graduate Fog that he and nine others are currently working for free in the chain’s Bolton store, in placements set up by his local job centre.
This website has spoken to Billy (not his real name), a recent graduate from the University of Central Lancashire, who says he has been told by his local job centre that he must work for free at the discount retailer for 30 hours a week for six weeks. Billy and nine others are required to wear black, unbranded polo shirts, black trousers and black shoes when working in Poundland’s stores, all provided by the job centre.
Of 10 unpaid workers at that store, Billy says eight are under 25 years old. One of the older pair has 27 years’ experience as a teacher. All are on the DWP’s ‘Work Experience Programme’. Billy told us:
“I was so excited to graduate from university but, one month on, I’ve never felt so low. Having struggled to find paid work, three weeks ago I signed on to Universal Credit, and I’ve been told to do unpaid work experience stacking shelves at Poundland. There are 10 of us in our branch working 30 hours a week, and none of us is being paid a penny by Poundland. I hate it and have no idea what this is supposed to be teaching me. I’m not learning anything and I can’t work out why taxpayers are subsidising my unpaid work for a hugely profitable company.
“I don’t have a set schedule. They just literally tell me to come in. Monday 26th June was my first day, I worked from 2:30-8:30pm. There were five of us in total. Once we completed the day we were told to come in again on Wednesday from 2:30-8:30pm. It’s not set hours and days but we have to do 30 hours a week for 6 weeks. We have been given black polo shirts to wear during our shifts. They’re the exactly same as the uniform the regular Poundland staff wear, but without the Poundland logo.
“I am keen to get on and apply for a jobs in my chosen industry, but working for nothing is so demoralising that it’s hard to stay motivated. I can’t understand how the politicians think unpaid work is a solution to youth unemployment. The quality of these placements is poor and they lead nowhere. Those of us who do them end up exhausted and miserable, and I suspect we’ve probably replaced a few paid workers too, who will be missing out on the shifts we now cover. Meanwhile, Poundland must be laughing all the way to the bank. The scheme needs shutting down. The only people benefiting from it are Poundland.”
Since graduating this summer with a 2:1 in Film and Media Studies, Billy has been living at home with his dad, who has bipolar disorder, his mum, who is a carer, and his brother who is also looking for work. The whole family is struggling financially and Billy says: “We all feel trapped”.
Last week, Graduate Fog wrote to Poundland, to ask what was going on:
To: Poundland Press Office
From: Graduate Fog
Subject: Unpaid workers at Poundland storesHi,
My name is Tanya de Grunwald and I run the UK careers website Graduate Fog. As well as offering careers advice to young job seekers, the website is known for campaigning for fair pay and access to good jobs.
It has come to my attention that Poundland has a number of unpaid staff members working at your stores. I understand that these workers receive no pay at all from Poundland, on the grounds that they are referrals from local job centres, and they are recipients of the new Universal Credit.
Please can you confirm:
1) How many unpaid staff members (job centre referrals) you have had in Poundland’s UK stores to date, and how many hours of unpaid work they have completed?
2) How many unpaid staff members (job centre referrals) you currently have working at Poundland’s UK stores?
3) Why exactly Poundland feels it is entitled to free labour from these individuals, subsidised by the UK taxpayer?
Thanks,
Tanya de Grunwald,
Founder, Graduate Fog
Yesterday, a spokesperson from Poundland replied, ignoring most of our questions but supplying some information at least:
“We don’t have any unpaid staff members and don’t receive any free labour.
“There are over 400 national partners, including small and independent companies, where a local Job Centre Plus recommends a claimant may benefit from work experience to enhance employability skills, we will try and help, but only under the specific proviso that those are not part of the store schedule.
“For 5 years since we started the Work Experience Programme, we have helped one person, per store, per year. As a result this has given people a short stint of work experience that’s helped them get back into permanent work, whilst giving them fantastic work experience in a diverse retail environment. We think that’s something to be proud of.”
So it sounds like Poundland is directly challenging Billy’s claim that he is one of 10 unpaid workers in their Bolton store. Or Poundland doesn’t know they are there, which is also pretty shoddy. And if Billy is being asked to work 2.30 – 8.30pm, that certainly sounds like a “store schedule” to us. Hmm. We have also been in touch with the DWP (Department for Work and Pensions), to try and clarify what’s going on. A spokesperson said:
“Work Experience Programme: they are voluntary. They are by their nature there to see if someone can benefit from getting additional work experience. But it wouldn’t be the case that if they said no there’d be any sort of repercussion for their UC [Universal Credit] payment.
“I’d be interested to know is it [the job centre] saying that the person says if they don’t do this there will be repercussions?
“If you’ve got a case where that breaks from that then please flag it.”
This confirms that the DWP feel confident that unpaid work placements are allowed on schemes – as long as it is made clear to the participants that they are voluntary. But in Billy’s case this has NOT been made clear, which may mean rules have been breached. Billy insists he was not told the Poundland placement was optional, and he was very much under the impression his Universal Credit would be cut if he didn’t complete it. So at the very least, it appears there is a problem here with communication from at least one job centre.
It also seems that we are back where we started – with a Government that shunts job seekers in to shoddy quality placements like this, failing to inform them they are voluntary, while the taxpayers fund their benefits, the job seeker is miserable and learning nothing, and companies like Poundland profit from free labour.
Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised. After all, the DWP is now headed up by David Gauke, an appointment which shocked many young people as he himself is a past recruiter of unpaid interns. And we know that we have a Government that actively encourages employers to pay young people less than older people for doing exactly the same job. But Graduate Fog remains baffled by the logic of these unpaid placements. Tell us again how this grotesque distortion of the traditional employer-employee relationship teaches young people anything useful about the value of work? And why should anyone work for Poundland for free?
NOTE: This post has been edited slightly since it was first published, to correct a number of legal assertions that we’d got nearly-but-not-quite right. Our sincere apologies, and thanks to Boycott Workfare for their help fixing this. Some of this stuff is very complicated.
* DOES UNPAID WORK LIFT PEOPLE UP – OR BRING THEM DOWN?
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If accurate, and there is nothing to suggest that such reports are inaccurate, then the law is quite clear.
If someone is told to turn up at a place of work, between specified days/times, told what to do, how to do it, when to do it, under the supervision of a staffer, then they are legally covered through a defacto Contract of Employment for which a) they are legally entitled to National Minimum Wage, and b) the State is entitled to its fair share of tax and national insurance.
Therefore, if the report is accurate, a lawsuit against any employer, avoiding the payment of tax and salary/wages, should offer sufficient incentive for a) the employer to change tact, and b) the employer not to shirk their responsibilities.
Use of ‘workfare’ isn’t just confined to the usual suspects. My local Citizens Advice Bureau used workfare labour under the “Community Work Placement” scheme. It is useful in reducing an organisation’s wage bill and participants are so scared about being sanctioned they are unlikely to kick up a fuss.
There is an argument that anything is better than a blank space on the CV but my employer recently recruited for a role and candidates were simply not taken seriously if they were working a retail job as a stop-gap. A candidate had to be working in the industry to be taken seriously.
I feel sorry for these poor people if they are being made to do workfare. I signed on for over 18 months at one point and was on the work programme, but I never had a lift a finger. I turned up, signed on and walked off. I feel truely sorry for people who have to do this because they have no option. I really feel this country is in the gutter. The employment figures are bull. I’m one of those people who sits all day waiting for my mobile to ring, hoping it is the agency with some work for me to do.
Rod: Interesting story – and one which is all too familiar – but I can add an additional factor to your comment about jobseekers being encouraged by DWP to take these placements on the grounds that anything is better than a blank space on your CV. That is the wider financial picture. I was recently told by my bank that I was not eligible for any kind of loan or overdraft because I am currently out of work. The conversation then switched to the subject of whether this situation would change if I did get work – and yes it would, provided that the work I got was not part time, not temporary or casual and, more important than anything else, definitely not part of an unpaid Govt workfare scheme! So, in the eyes of the bank, participation in any of the above would be looked on in exactly the same way as if you were simply unemployed – meaning they would convey no benefit or improvement to your situation at all. Food for thought…
When I was out of work I was getting lots of letters from Halifax offering me credit. I had less than £1,000 in my account the day I got my job offer. Next pay day I should have about £7,500 in my account. Oddly I’ve stopped getting Halifax letters offering me credit now!
That’s because Britain is a class system and you’re looked on as scum for working retail. The poor get nowhere in this country. I have £15,250 in my premium bonds and get hardly any return. I am lucky to win £25 every other month.
well i guess you would have to play ball and call them up on it, you are there for work experience, I myself would argue a retail outlet has no experience to offer me as I have run my own pet food business and video hire shop many years ago, there fore stacking shelves and presenting a display as well as ordering stock and doing the accounts in something I have experience in already. I would suggest 3 hrs is all that’s needed to learn enough experience to be fully competent at stacking shelves at that point I would demand that you are there to gain experience and wish to move on to something if the employer has anything to offer you experience in if not I would go home and if sanctioned take all the way to court, cus 3 hours is more than enough time to be an absolute supreme master of stacking shelves , I would use your head, work smarter not harder.
Does anyone else just want to off themselves? Sorry to be morose, I’m just tired of all of this BS. I just want a good job and a normal life.
I have been sent to one of these. Today I went for the meeting, I got told I will have to buy my clothes. I will be working 12:30 till 7 for 5days a week for 6 weeks. Also have to pay for bus fare. All it is when I asked was stacking shelves and cleaning floors. This was the Bingley store btw, so it seems to be happening all over the country
My daughter was sent to pound land earlier this year by job centre, also working 30 hours a week, also believing her U C would be stopped if she refused. She was given a job at the end but the manager seems to enjoy practising inequality and victimisation. My daughter hates it there, she works both weekend days every week even though other staff refuse to work any weekend days ever, she was not told how to access the online payslips for 4 months,if she leaves on time the manager makes a point of mentioning it,favouritism is rife in this particular store, manager is so unprofessional, terrible place to work paid or unpaid.