AND THOSE WHO DO FIND WORK EARN 9% LESS THAN THEIR WHITE FRIENDS
Black graduates are three times more likely to be unemployed than white graduates six months of finishing university, it has emerged.
The worrying statistic was highlighted during this week’s BBC Panorama ‘Jobs for the boys?’ in which former footballer Sol Campbell investigated the complex reasons behind the high unemployment rates among black men in the UK. The statistic came from a study last year which also found that black graduates who do find work can expect to earn up to nine per cent less for the same work as a white graduate over five years.
The Deloitte-backed study, carried out by think tank Bow Group and youth employment charity Elevation Networks, was based on interviews with 2,500 students over two years. It found that black students were not being given the same opportunities as white students.
Samuel Kasumu, founder of Elevation Networks, said the findings were deeply worrying, saying:
“We found black students are concerned about what their future once they graduate. Many of them believe the odds are firmly stacked against them. There are particular challenges when it comes to those students who are considering a career in financial services, legal services, government, and media, which is very concerning.”
Black graduate Kyle Parris studied electrical and electronic engineering at Liverpool John Moores University, and had hoped his degree would give him a good start in a career in engineering. But four years after graduating he is still without a paid job. He told Panorama:
“I’m still applying now. I have done work experience for companies, where I have worked for 30 hours a week for eight weeks and never received payment – for free. So that shows that I’ve got eagerness and I am willing to work – I just want the chance. Just give me a chance.”
Graduate Fog knows that it is difficult for graduates from any background to find decent, well-paid, permanent jobs right now. As Sol Campbell highlighted in the Panorama, the reasons for the particularly high unemployment rate among certain groups are complex – and working out what’s really going wrong isn’t easy as there are so many factors involved. But we feel strongly that much more research and discussion is needed in order to get to the bottom of why black graduates seem to be struggling so much more than any other group.
*WHY ARE BLACK GRADUATES STRUGGLING TO FIND WORK?
Are employers just plain racist? Or are there further reasons why black graduates are struggling to get their careers started? What has been your experience of applying for jobs – and has your success or failure had anything to do with your skin colour? If they are at a disadvantage, should graduates from certain ethnic backgrounds be given extra help and support when entering the job market after university, or would that be unfair on everyone else?
In my case I think it is if your face fits. I have still not managed to get a job in my chosen field since graduating in 2008. And have more than enough experience from interning since my second year of unversity. I can’t fit the amount of all my experience on a 2 page CV. I have no evidence if it is due to skin colour but I do think there should be more black faces within the fashion industry in the UK than there is. I can only think of maybe a handful within editorial magazines. I have seen more of a chance in the US and than in the UK. I don’t know if this is due to black people are more focused on their careers out there and are more knowledgeable about how to climb the career ladder in fashion or if ethnic minorities are given more opportunities out there. A friend of mine moved to New York a few years ago and his art work is more appreciated out there than it ever was over here. Over here he was told by a career advisor from our uni that his work is very Black not that it was good,talented or his work was reminiscent of the late artist Basquiat. Skin colour should not hold you back from chasing your career all you can be is open minded and push through what ever boundaries you may face. Also why is the PR industry still lacking of ethnic minorities in the work place? I’m sure it’s not due to not having many non-white applicants.
“There are particular challenges when it comes to those students who are considering a career in financial services, legal services, government, and media, which is very concerning.”
I’m not going to pretend that racism and racial profiling, both overt and covert, conscious and unconscious, don’t exist. There have been tests where Anglo-Saxon and, say, Arab/South Asian names on CVs/application forms I believe are tested, and in America similar tests done with names that blacks are more likely to have. And tests of peoples heartbeat and reactions around people from other ethnicities, even people who don’t consider themselves prejudiced.
Along with sexism (as a near-perpetual agency worker, I consider myself lucky to be male since I have my suspicions about what happens to, say, pregnant agency workers given that your assignment can legally be ended arbitrarily at any time), and probably far worse that either of these, the treatment of the disabled.
But for the above careers (especially media, being an MP and law due to unpaid work, expensive qualifications etc), surely economic factors are far more of a concern than race, and anyone of more modest means struggles to get into them, regardless of ethnicity. I’m white and I certainly can’t think of a financially feasible way of breaking into the above (and also wasn’t able to apply to paid student internships in Whitehall that are explicitly targeted at ethnic minorities).
@Fashion Grad: The PR industry is infested with unpaid internships, especially in London, where there are allegedly whole PR “firms” where one of two paid workers run a company full of unpaid “interns” (coerced unpaid workers).
Statistically, I’d imagine a randomly chosen group of people from an ethnic minority are disproportionately more likely to be of more modest means than a randomly chosen group of whites, so that would be my suspicion of one of the major factors for a lack of ethnic minorities in the industry.
I am trying to break into not for profit and charity type organisations. I’ve had problems since I finished my degree in 2008. It’s highly depressing and I don’t like the job situation. It upsets me that I can’t get ahead and the thought that my skin colour might be part of it upsets me even more. I am a non-white ethnic minority and it’s very notable and makes me self-conscious when I see an all white panel and an all-white organisation.
It’s not working for me. I think racism is one of those things that shows up in big data, but individual instances are hard to identify because employers can hide behind reasons.
There are good and bad employers, but the situation is very complicated. I think, mixed with class, social connections, location, role models.
The situation is complicated by religion, time spent in the UK.
Racism is still a problem, especially for Muslims of North African, Middle Eastern, South Asian backgrounds.
There are fewer ethnic minorities the higher up the management chain, the top is almost exclusively white.
Getting in is harder because there are so many graduates, chasing too few jobs and ethnic minority graduates do not have the contacts to access experience and careers advice etc, most ethnic minorities are poorer than the white majority, but even middle class ethnic minorities may experience problems because the UK society is different.
I find this hilarious in a very dark way, because I am black and I was unemployed exactly 6 months after university. I’ve now managed to find a job as a Social Media Executive which is the industry that I want to work in. For which I’m only being paid 17500 a year which for an executive is extremely low. I’ve only been here two months though so hopfully things will improve. Before that I had to work as a Marketing Assistant for a year and a half which was basically admin work. I don’t find this surprising as I do find myself often asking if I would have higher pay or had an easier ride if I was white. I’m 23 in two months and I’m only on £17,500 a year I seriously hope my salary improves soon.
In answer to the question I think black people struggle to find work because although I wouldn’t say people are directly racist they are definitely prejudice – they prefer to be around their own kind. Which is very sad. I’m the only black person at this agency I work at, and I consider it a miracle because I’ve never seen a black person at a marketing or advertising agency, but they were loads of black people on my marketing course at uni, I wonder where they are?. Although my salary is crazy low. I consider myself lucky.
What about Asians?
I think that classing all black people in one group is too simplistic.
If a person has the name Shaun Bailey or Colin Jackson, the names could be European, resulting in very unlikely discrimination on a foreign sounding name. If a person has the name Kobi Abojo, or worse still Hassan Omar (a Somali Muslim background it is worse. If they are part of an affluent well connected background the people are most likely to get through the selection process.
Asians are a diverse bunch. I think South Asian Muslims face the greatest challenges, especially a female wearing a hijab or a male with a beard.
North Africans or Middle Eastern people are unknown.
I’ve heard these sorts of stats before but 3x more? Wow.
I’m black British,born here, family of African background with an African sounding name. You try not to think about it when applying, but there is that thought in the back of your mind that ‘has the HR manager seen my name and thought ‘we don’t want that sort/another of them’ working here’?
It’s difficult because there will never be a way of eliminating this possibility unless applications can somehow be unnamed, so you will never know if your application wasn’t accepted simply because someone was better than you/you didn’t meet the criteria or that person in HR saw your name and threw your application in the bin as a result.
I accept it’s difficult for graduates in this generation full stop; black, white or anyone else. It’s a perfect storm of our generation being pushed to go to university at high school(as if to not would be a failure)meaning too many graduates with degrees that don’t get them ahead, coupled with the lack of jobs at the moment.
I could probably count on my hand the amount of people from my high school who went to university, and are actually working in a graduate level job. The majority are working in cafes, shops etc, doing jobs they did before they went to university, or unemployed.
Keshia I know you think things are bad but count your blessings. I agree 17500 is not the average graduate salary that was sold to me at school( think it was 25,000, ha! who is earning that..) but it could be worse.
Since I graduated last year I’ve applied to graduate jobs, only had one interview, and have been working part time(only hours available) in the callcentre job I had as a student on just under £10,000 a year. You’re in a graduate job in the area you want to work in, hopefully you will be able to progress.
If I could do it from the beginning and was aware of the extent of choices besides university, I think I might have done an apprenticeship and at least be earning whilst working, with no debt and a better job guarantee.
It’s getting to the point where I’m thinking about looking at the job opportunities in my families’ African country as I just seem at a dead end here. It’s funny, you often get Daily Mail types complaining about ethnic minorities supposedly being promoted ahead of their abilities and getting all these jobs, yet I fail to see such ‘positive discrimination’ working for me or others in a similar position!
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Its definitely hard getting an early career started being a young black graduate; it feels like a big weight on your shoulder that’s unnecessary challenging and there’s that intense feeling of unequal opportunities. With that being said what’s more frustrating is that some of us black people come from rough neighbourhoods and low income housing, so for example the frustration is more intense some of us could not get financial support from our family to support us whilst seeking work because they don’t have it like that. In comparison to some white people that are more likely to have family support whilst unemployed, therefore our degree our education if you like is our chance of making it out and making it big doing great and achieving outstanding things but the platform is not there to get something started you almost feel like an outcast and we lack network opportunities because not to many people from our family are professionally successful with outstanding careers. Let alone talking about us young black people that come from single parent households so the support is simply not there. There’s nobody to look up to, so you could imagine how frustrating it is… what do you think of this message? someone please comment so i know its not just me that feels this way
@Moses
Thanks for your comment. What did you think of David Cameron’s comments this week, in which he appeared to suggest that the lack of social mobility in the UK is the result of poorer young people lacking ambition?
I think its just hypocrisy they know exactly what’s going on there the government and are ultimately responsible for our wealthfare and creating and promoting education to poorer young people… it not a huge surprise that young people from place like Peckham or Brixton end up going to jail in comparison to young person from Chelsea, or surrey look at the statistics.
The sad part is that some people are living a lifestyle that they don’t even no they are been forced to live so for example you sell drugs you go jail you come out you cant become that doctor or engineer or lawyer you dreamed of becoming of when you was younger, its hard for graduates to get jobs how much harder is it for incarcerated or convicted young people to get jobs how can we enable them to stay away from a life of crime.
Its hard for them to get jobs and unfortunately some of them have real life responsibilities to take care of such as supporting family, taking care of themselves basically adult responsibility’s from a young age and some people don’t have that guidance into doing what’s right. So what social mobility is Cameron banging on about…? Lets promote jobs to people that need it the most get people of the streets and places like Peckham and so on so forth arrears become better places to live for good people from those community’s… people are going to lack ambition if they loose hope promote jobs to people that need it they inspire other people from the same background as them and if you see someone from your area doing good you to would be encouraged to do good because you have people that come from poor arrears graduating give them jobs they can empower sand influence other people from there area that are not doing so well or that lack ambition. If you’re a graduate from a poor area for example and your not getting jobs how can you encourage someone else that lives a different kind of life if anything it looks like a waste of time after all there’s nothing guaranteed for dedicating 3-4years of studying to a so called degree
@ “poorer young people lacking ambition”
What a joke. What they call lack of ambition is a consequence not a cause. There is plenty of ambition, but people can become resigned to their lot because it is extremely difficult to ‘make it’ when you have to fight tooth and nail for everything. The politicians need to understand that their rhetoric is schizophrenic. When someone with ambition objects to working in a supermarket they are labelled as a ‘jobs snobs’ and if they take any job they are labelled as ‘unambitious’ and ‘lacking direction’. The old adage of ‘working your way up’ hasn’t worked for many people for a long time. Instead, they are more likely to be churned in temporary low-paid jobs.
The reality is that dog-eat-dog capitalism with declining social spending and regressive policies don’t create the right conditions for social mobility. It creates ever greater gross and difficult to escape inequality, but our glorious politician’s don’t want to acknowledge that because it conflicts with the ruthless pursuit of profit and their ideas about how society should be structured.
Take this story about law internships as one example:
https://graduatefog.co.uk/2013/2813/law-internships-are-a-grim-trend-says-top-judge/
There is a detectable prejudice that only poor law graduates would (should?) go into legal aid work. The goal posts are already set for many people and they are set a long time before higher education is even an idea in their minds. If what I’ve heard is accurate then I’m pretty sure it is the same with other professions too.
Hi. I do agree that the discrimination against foreign sound names is huge.
In my case, I had to leave England in order not to stay stuck in a retail job with no prospects after finishing my masters degree.
The funny thing is that in my course there were 11 students. 6 white and 5 non-white. Within 6 months all the whites had a graduate job and NONE of the non-whites got a job.
I finished my matters in 2009 and from my group I was the most experienced because I had in my CV two year long internships from my undergrad degree under Erasmus and Leonardo da Vinci scholarship programmes. But gess what? In 2011 I decided to leave UK because I had no interviews despite sending many applications for 3 years.
I decided to go back to my parents country where I landed 3 interviews and received 2 offers in 4 applications sent. And after spending there some time I was offered a job in Czech Republic. Now I work in Prague and I am so happy. I tried recently to apply for a job back hone in UK (I have all my friends and close family there) and I was told, as always, that I have been rejected.
Funny thing is, I applied for a slightly better job in USA and I was invited for an interview.
I can’t stop to wonder what does it take, apart from a new skin colour, to get a job in my field in UK. Come on, an a proactive person, I went out of my way (to two different countries) to get paid graduate experience but I would like to go back home and work in my own country… unfortunately it looks like there is something pushing away from it. It is sad but I really love my career. I wouldn’t go back to UK to work on retail again.
I’m not surprised by this article or the comments made.
I’m in my final year of Uni studying Law and while at Uni, I have worked part time in retail and also did several internships. Some in well known Blue chip companies and organisations.
However, I had an impromptu chat with a recruiter which then turned into an on the spot telephone interview. And she said I have the right personality, skills and drive for the job. Yet she feels concerned that she wouldn’t be able to put me in front of a client because of how I sound. She said I’m very personable and nice to speak to but I sound informal and I lack professionalism in my speech. She said they have a lot of big clients so we need you to sound very eloquent…..
In my opinion, my credentials are great for the field I want to go into and I have a lot of transferable skills. But for someone to say that I’m good. But I don’t sound right even though, I am an undergraduate and these are skills I am yet to develop. Is beyond me! She basically said I sound too “black”.
Never felt so inadequate in my life.
@ Nando…Prague is a fantastic City, so much more to offer than ugly London..If I could get a job there, I would never come back.
@ Kemi…yes, the ‘Queen’s’ english is required but you need to be public school educated for that..that’s the class system for you…alive and well in England.
Hello,
please humbly allow me to air my concern about black migrant graduates looking for employment. I am an example whereby have applied for several hundred jobs but cannot be employed. I usually get no feedback at all why I am not successful and where employers make an effort, they say that they have found a closer match.
It is not that I am not qualified but it seems that other factors stand in my way. I have been in the UK for 12 years and resident now – do have two degrees, certificates and other qualifications. Also have under my belt 8 years of voluntary service with various charities plus other valuable contributions to the community. I have been awarded several certificates of recognition for my services to the community and well being of others.
There are many puzzling factors that have constantly haunted me – for example for jobs with online interviews and tests, I have done several and passed as it is always obvious when you are succesful. Only to be told after a few days that other candidates were closer matches!! Can you believe that with all my qualifications that I can’t even get a porter’s job?
This is often done without any further explanation and is very frustrating. I have attended CV clinics etc and believe my documents or applications are standard and not wanting in any respect.
A closer look at who I am reveals that getting a job if you are black, middle aged is next to impossible. I am ready to show anyone concerned all my job applications and responses. There is a closed culture of silence and colour barring to employment to those of colour. AN example of a few places is the NHS,Network Rail and others.
I kindly request you to highlight this issue and my personal circumstances so that we may get an equal footing in society to which we all belong.
Am ready to provide details of what I have gone through and my identity to anyone willing to help me. I agree that it is not easy to stamp out racism in society but at least there must be equal opportunities for all.
There is a temptation that lingers in my mind to say that change your names and get a brand new look. Maybe this way I may get a job. But in all fairness one’s colour or race are not important in proving ability to do a job.
I look forward to hearing from you soon and ready to send you my CV to prove my point.
Regards
Noah
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Hi Noah –
Thanks for commenting, sorry to hear you’re having such a tough time securing a graduate job. It sounds like you are doing a lot of the right things and I know it can be very frustrating and dispiriting not to receive a more encouraging response. Have you applied for any jobs on our Graduate Fog Job Board yet? When you do so, you automatically sign up with our partner agency Give A Grad A Go, who may be able to give you some useful feedback.
Here is the link to the job board
I know there are also some agencies which specialise in placing candidates from ethnic minorities – for example Rare Recruitment. Have you looked into them?
You may also have seen that our book How to Get a Graduate Job in a Recession is currently on sale, with 25% off the usual price. If you don’t find a job after reading it, we’ll refund your money, no questions asked! Could be worth a punt?
I hope some / all of these suggestions are helpful – best of luck! Let us know how you get on?
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Founder of Graduate Fog
Hi,
I am a recent graduate with a master’s degree in Town Planning and a 2:1 in the same discipline at undergraduate. I also did a year’s foundation studies in Civil Engineering (passed all modules) but decided to change to Town Planning. My degree have two professional accreditations and is from a high profile Russell Group university. Most of the lecturers told us how planning is mainly a white, male, middle class dominated profession and why this must be changed. As a black town planning student, this gave me lots of hope. At university, I could not do any planning work experience for the simple reason that I was mainly self-funding and had a regular part-time job in retail for the duration of my course. I have now registered as a qualified planner volunteer, mainly helping people with planning applications and ways to appeal planning decisions.
I have been looking for a planning or even a graduate job since March and even with a master’s degree which the university told us was a more professional rather than academic, as it did train us to do a job in planning and/or it’s related fields (such as regeneration, sustainability, development, transport planning, infrastructure management, economics etc…). Despite having applied for over 200 jobs, I have only been offered one interview related my qualifications. I am registered with several planning jobs recruitment agencies and consultancies. Many do get in touch but, after interviewing me (mostly just for speculative jobs), I never usually hear back from them.
Having applied with a number of local authorities here in London and most say they cannot hire me without any experience and a few have never bothered to reply to my applications. For my dissertation, I researched a topic very informative and useful for a local council and applied for a basic Planning Assistant role with them. In their very thorough application form, I gave them a lot of details about the research but, the application closed 6 weeks ago and despite contacting them for a feedback, I have yet to hear back from them. Even at my local job centre, I was told that I have to mostly apply for (usually minimum wage) jobs in retail where I have the experience from a part-time student job and forget about my qualifications. I got a warning in my last retail job for being late after a university exam overlapped, so I’m scared about not being able to attend job interviews if I get caught in basic retail job again. Architecture, Planning and the built environment is now the second highest graduate recruiting industry according to the Telegraph newspaper and over 80% of my university colleagues were in a graduate job within three months of graduating and this is my 7th month looking for a role. I was always pessimists about racial barriers but even the person who got the highest overall result on my course, who was of black African origin, spent 5 months looking before she was successful, yet our white colleagues with a mere pass result were in planning jobs a month or two after graduating. I am now a firm believer in racial discrimination of black graduates and is it any wonder why we now have so many angry black youths in society? The cause is crystal clear in my opinion, Blacks have to jump extra high to even make it to a good university, so this should be enough to prove to employer that we have got more than what it takes. Just food for thought, my planning course often discussed inclusion, engagement and integrity in communities and social justice in development and yet 95% of local authority planners are white, even in a city like London.
Wow, My husband is black African, he graduated in 2012 with a business strategy degree, he is currently doing his masters in leadership and ….. can’t remember, we’ve joked about changing his surname when applying for a job a couple of times. I didn’t realised the extent of the problem. His last job as a commissioning assistant, he was dismiss as his white female team leader took a dislike on him.
Reasons for his dismissal included; 1 he came to the meeting without a pen, 2 he was seen yorning at the meeting (bear in mind we’d just had a baby), then he was given a big piece of work without any training which was then used as reason for his dismissal.
The truth is Racism is here to stay, the sooner we accept the harsh reality the better. You either accept that the only jobs for blacks are nursing and social work, or like my husband go back to your country of origin and pursue a career there. Am going to university next year, as a mother of three I can’t afford to waste time pursuing business related studies, Nursing it is. I work as a care assistant so it makes sense.
I have a friend who is from an Indian Muslim background, finished his PGCE in Maths, He had an MSc in Actuarial Science, and he is a Maths grad, he recently got a stable teaching job starting in January 2015. His white colleagues on the PGCE Maths, were not Maths graduates, they studied BSc Physics but found it easier to get interviews. He could not get into City jobs, he is aged 37 now.
I am so pleased to see that i am not the only one! With an MBA i am still no where. I had a 2:1 in my foundation degree, a 2:1 in my bachelors and a high merit MBA.
Guess what? Getting my cv noticed for high paid jobs isn’t happening. They happily interview me for customer service telephony jobs but not managerial or decision making level jobs.
I recently went through a grad scheme application. Got to the final stage like i did last year with the same company just to be told weldone on getting this far but sorry. My competitions? All white and hadn’t even completed their undergrad and came from backgrounds like history, law and philosophy. With an MBA in strategic HRM i still wasn’t good enough for a hr grad job.
I told a friend after the process that i will not get the job. He asked why? I said no Asian or black in the entire process.. The panel all white. I was the only black interviewee and that made me suspicious. He thought it will go in my favour i said doubtful. I was right.
I am still hopeful in my applications. But i just feel i may get to 30 and still be in low level jobs even with an MBA.
In my current job I trained a new starter on my team who is now a service manager. She has no degree. And came from a telephony background similar to me. Yet, i was kept on as a temp staff and she’s now my manager and i am older worth an MBA degree and 7 years work experience in insurance, education, housing and banking.
I am sorry. But i will play the black card. It is a prejudice thing and it is unfair. Worse is, you cannot prove discrimination as it is so indirect.
I have been unemployed 3 years Black and born here is Racism still alive in uk oh yes if a black wants a good job then you either go to America or Nowwhere Havent we as a race suffered enough!
We give the world everything then we fight for a decent education and England gives us NOTHING!
I have been unemployed for 7 1/2 years now, so I know that something is very wrong. I have tried to apply for jobs and apprenticeships to no avail and that is why affirmative action is needed. The Racists out there can no longer call you a N***** to your face, but they can sure as hell refuse you a job and get away with it. I am seriously fed up with this crap country, but I cannot leave unless I start earning and saving.
I’ve had a similar problem – from an Asian background. I never even considered myself Asian, and don’t look it, but have a foreign name so it took a while for me to even consider if this was actually the problem or whether it was something I was doing wrong. Graduated 2008 in law, did a post grad and then the professional qualifications, along with voluntary work, networking and an unpaid internship that nearly bankrupted me. Still can’t get a job in law. Nearly 30. I was extremely talented, got a high upper second, a merit in my masters and am articulate, composed and well presented and attired at interview – but I can’t get interviews. Have now given up. Try another career.
Have you considered changing your name by deed poll? I know it sounds drastic but employers call the shots don’t they and if that is what is takes to get to interview stage then what choice is there?
Has anyone reading this ever changed their name by deed poll in order to boost their chance of getting a job? Or used a pseudonym? Or even considered it? I’d be really interested to hear more if so!
@Tarik Law is an extremely difficult industry so I’m not sure how much racism plays a part in your/our problems. Like you I have a foreign sounding name (my online handle is a nom de plume) I’ve struggled to remain properly remunerated and have a history of short-term placements with large gaps. The problem is that despite law being a respected degree it doesn’t seem to open many doors by itself. The most valuable currency is contacts.
It has always been a difficult industry, but since around 2007 the pay and security at the lower end has decreased. Unless you are trained within a few years of graduating you risk endless applications just to have the pleasure of performing extremely mundane and mind numbingly repetitive tasks such as numbering documents, scanning, filing, photocopying, putting together bundles for court. The icing on the cake is the short term contract (typically less than two years so you don’t accrue substantial employment rights) and the expectation that you will work unpaid for more than your contracted hours. I would go so far as to say this is a dead end for those capable of a lot more. It isn’t in anyone’s interests to challenge this as there is an overabundance of desperate graduates who can be used and discarded.
It seems to be all about cultural fit (employing people that look like you) rather than qualifications and experience in the United Kingdom.
It’s all about social status and connections (especially in the city), how much money you have and who your parents are. Britain is stuck in a class system time warp. I wish all the boomers would die already.