GREENWICH UNI BREACHES OFFICIAL GUIDELINES WHICH CONDEMN UNPAID PLACEMENTS AS ‘EXPLOITATIVE’
Graduate Fog was gobsmacked to discover that the University of Greenwich has been promoting unpaid internships to its students, in a clear breach of guidelines issued by the careers services’ official body AGCAS, which has publicly condemned the practice as ‘exploitative’.
Part of the advertisement – which appeared on the university’s own website and was promoting a presentation on campus by controversial recruitment company Inspiring Interns – read:
An internship is an excellent way to get a head start in the transition between a student environment to a working environment. Not only will it distinguish you from other graduates but it will also give you an invaluable insight into how a business operates in the real world. Inspiring Interns work closely with their clients to ensure that your internship will be targeted, tailored and closely matched to what you are looking for to make your experience as beneficial as possible…
…Inspiring Interns’ aim is to find appropriate and meaningful internships, jobs and work placements for a broad range of internships for graduates disadvantaged by difficult economic conditions: developing skills, increasing employability and creating careers. They understand the challenges faced by graduates, having all been through the graduate recruitment process, and are working to create opportunities at companies where there is potential for inspiring interns to earn full employment.
Yet – in an open letter to the Guardian in August – AGCAS made it crystal clear that it condemned the practice of getting graduates to work for free and voiced strong concerns that unpaid internships restrict social mobility and prey on the vulnerability and desperation of young workers.
ACGAS’ director Martin Pennington wrote:
Current legislation makes clear the circumstances under which employers can offer such unpaid internships and any employers contravening this should rightly face legal challenges.
The experience of many university (HE) careers services, however, is that some employers are nevertheless offering such internships with impunity, and that graduates, desperate to secure a toehold in the job market, are taking these up.
This places careers services in the invidious position of wishing to provide for their graduates by advertising such opportunities but not wanting to collude in law breaking.
…Asked whether the government should clamp down on unpaid internships, 85% [of AGCAS members] voted ‘Yes’ to the proposition.
Unpaid internships are not just exploitative of individuals but also restrict social mobility, as they are disproportionately difficult for graduates from lower socio-economic groups to take up, and reduce the number of entry level jobs for graduates and others.
Current advice from AGCAS to its members is that they shouldn’t advertise or broker internships that contravene legislation.
AGCAS does not, of course, wish to stand in the way of individuals’ career opportunities nor of economic growth, but has a responsibility to speak on behalf of HE careers services, and graduates, placed in this pernicious dilemma.
Accordingly, it calls on government to take action on employers offering unpaid internships illegally and, if appropriate, to review policy and legislation governing internships so that the benefits of these are available to all and none is exploited.
The mismatch is startling, isn’t it?
So on Thursday 4 November I contacted the University of Greenwich, to ask what was going on:
Hello,
My name is Tanya de Grunwald and I run a graduate careers advice website called Graduate Fog.
I am interested to see that the University of Greenwich is working with Inspiring Interns and would like to ask you more about this, if I may.
It is unusual to see university careers services promoting unpaid opportunities – you are probably aware that AGCAS has publicly condemned unpaid internships – so I am surprised to see that you are working with Inspiring Interns. Are you aware that they take a fee of £500 from every employer, for every month that each intern works, while the interns themselves are paid only £200 – which is far less than the NMW?
I would be grateful if you could email me some kind of response to explain your decision to work with this company, in light of AGCAS’s stated position on internships.
With many thanks,
Tanya
I sent a similar email to AGCAS, whose press officer replied:
Hi Tanya,
Thank you for bringing this case to AGCAS’s attention. Your time-frame for a response for your blog was short and I have not been able to talk to anyone at the University of Greenwich or Inspiring Interns about this case.
However, you are aware of AGCAS’s position statement – http://www.agcas.org.uk/pages/position-statements – and we continue to draw the attention of AGCAS members, students and graduates, employers, government and the media to it.
We know that government is aware of the concerns of AGCAS and other organisations and individuals. We do urge them to enforce legislation through parliament and the courts — or take steps to change the legislation through parliament.
Once this happens, employers and brokers of internships in all sectors will undoubtedly become more circumspect.
Best wishes,
I replied:
Thanks for this
So, just to be clear here – do you agree that the University of Greenwich appears to have acted against the AGCAS guidelines on internships? If so, do you plan to speak to them about this? Will AGCAS alert its members to this case and warn them about working with companies like Inspiring Interns?
Also, do you feel it is important that all universities are consistent on this issue? I know that a lot of my users will feel extremely let down by the actions of the University of Greenwich. Can they trust the careers advisers at their own universities not to do the same?
I can give you more time if you need it.
Thanks again,
Tanya
She replied:
Hello Tanya,
I have now spoken to the head of the careers service at the University of Greenwich, who is investigating this issue.
The AGCAS position statement and its recommendations for government, careers services, employers and students and graduates are clearly set out in the position statement at http://www.agcas.org.uk/pages/position-statements.
AGCAS won’t comment publicly on individual cases and I’m afraid I have to close the dialogue here so that I can get on with supporting careers services to offer high quality services to students and graduates and conveying AGCAS’s messages, such as this position statement and the importance of high-quality careers information, education, advice and guidance to government, higher education institutions, employers, students and graduates etc.
Best wishes,
The same day, this response arrived from the University of Greenwich’s Head of Guidance and Employability Team:
Dear Tanya,
We intend to suspend our advert for Inspiring Internships while we consider this matter further. Thank you for your concern.
Kind regards,
So we have a result!
However, I feel this whole sorry story raises serious questions that demand answers:
– Do uni careers staff understand the unpaid internships issue? The text in the ad suggests that those at Greenwich just don’t get it. But they should– it’s their job. Students look to their university’s careers service as an authoritative source of information and advice. I believe that telling students that unpaid internships are anything other than outrageous, exploitative bull**** is irresponsible, negligent and undermines the important campaign for interns to be paid the wage they deserve. It is vital that careers advisers understand this issue and make sure that they are always on the side of their students and graduates, not those who seek to ‘sell’ these placements. This sort of incident is extremely damaging to their relationship with students, who should be able to trust them. (I have written about a related subject before in the post Can you trust your uni careers adviser?)
– What is a university doing using its resources (website, venue and staff) to promote Inspiring Interns? It is well known that this is a controversial (and private) recruitment company which earns more for each interns’ placement than the intern earns themselves. (As reported previously on Graduate Fog, Inspiring Interns makes £500 per month the intern works, compared with the interns’ pay packet of £200 per month – which, well spotted, is far below the NMW). Why is a university working with them? Did the University of Greenwich receive a fee from Inspiring Interns, in exchange for hosting this event?
– Why did the University of Greenwich ignore the official guidelines from AGCAS? If the University of Greenwich was aware of the guidelines, why breach them? And if they were not aware of them, why weren’t they aware of them? Does this case highlight a problem with the communication methods between AGCAS and its members?
*What do you think?
If you’re a student or graduate, does your university promote unpaid internships – and do you think AGCAS right to advise them not to? If you’re a careers adviser, do you promote – or broker – these placements to your students and graduates? If not, why not?
Disgusting! So, graduates are now just as liable to end up as unpaid fodder for the global slave state as those who have little or no qualifications. I think we need a new Spartacus to arise within our society, to lead us into all-out open rebellion!!
Hi Tanya,
On a similar note, maybe you could help me understand why the experiential events company Method Two (methodtwo.com) have posted some very different job adverts on e4s.co.uk:
1) a fantastic graduate opportunity for 8 Trainee Account Executives, who are paid for three months before 4 are taken on full time.
but 2) unpaid ‘work experience’ for a graduate graphic designer, who works for FREE and then might get a full time position… They cite that this will be a great addition to the graduate’s portfolio/good experience, but also ask for someone with proven design skills (i.e. someone who already has a good portfolio and experience…)
I really wanted to apply for the Account Executive role, but coming from a design background, I’m not sure I can stomach somewhere that so blatantly undervalues their creative employees. It’s just insulting to ask a graphic design graduate to work parallel to those who are equally qualified, but without pay or security, and then claim this is a “great opportunity”.
🙁
What do you think? Is it fair to demand free work from design graduates while you pay others?
@Confused
We’ve known for a while that any grads trying to get into any sort of ‘creative’ industry can expect to be exploited shamelessly by employers, while those doing less competitive / ‘glamorous’ things are less likely to find that this happens to them…
But I agree that it is downright bizarre when you see the same company offering paid roles for non-creative grads alongside unpaid ones for creative grads…
Are creative graduates second class citizens?
With the amount of resources that Universities have, it’s strange that they would team up with an agency to advertise unpaid internships.
While I was at University I didn’t see any jobs/internships advertised by the careers service that weren’t directly through the employers.
@Tom
That’s really interesting – I’ve heard that before, that unis won’t work with ‘middlemen’ – only directly with employers.
I’ve heard this is frustrating for recruitment companies who often have excellent graduate opportunities on offer (sometimes exclusively retained by that employer) but they can’t reach the grads their client wants to reach, because they’re deemed lowly ‘middlemen’!
While I can see that unis dont’ want to be swamped with agencies hawking jobs that have appeared all over the web already and they would be helping these private companies to earn their fees, it does seem insane to keep opportunities from grads who would want to hear about them. It’s certainly a tricky one.
So I wonder how Inspiring Interns managed to persuade the Uni of Greenwich to work with them?
On a slightly different note, did you see the recent Demos report suggesting that uni careers centres become more like recruitment firms? What do you make of that? I’m in two minds about it, which is why I haven’t blogged about it yet… Thoughts?
All I know is that none of the careers team at my old uni had any clue how to handle an arts grad who didn’t want to go into media sales. I imagine it’s the same elsewhere. Plus, when I showed some recruiters the CV they’d helped me ‘perfect’ the recruiters made me redraft it. I just don’t really think they have any clue how tough it is out there, or how to really help. But considering my careers centre appeared to be staffed by about four people, three of whom looked suspiciously like recent graduates…
I know this is a little off the uni issue but it is certainly an unpaid work placement issue – have you seen this Tanya? http://www.girish-gupta.com/article.php?id=165 It would be a good story for you to chase – look at what happens when a journalism work experience guy tried to invoice the Independent for the work he did…
@Sophie – Thanks for this, yes I’m already familiar with Girish Gupta’s plight – and hopefully he’s about to get some good press for it… : ) If not, I’ll definitely feature it on Graduate Fog. I think the way he has been treated is APPALLING. And by the Indy, of all papers! : (