*STORY PICKED UP BY THE GUARDIAN!* “CONSTITUENCY INTERN” WANTED FOR UP TO 100 DAYS OF “VOLUNTEERING” A politician who advertised nine unpaid internships has been reported to officials for investigation by HM Revenue and Customs. The ‘Constituency Intern’ role is stated as “60 to 100 days of volunteering” to be completed over 3-12 months, on either a part-time or full-time basis. Regular readers will know that we have written before about Lib Dem MP John Leech, who is Parliament’s most persistent advertiser of unpaid internships. When we drew his attention to this back in April — after he advertised his eighth unpaid position — his people blasted back a shockingly personal ten-paragraph rant, accidentally letting slip that many of Leech’s fellow MPs were “secretly” hiring interns through their own networks, so at least Leech was doing it publicly (or something). When the story was covered by the BBC, we hoped Leech and his team might have learnt their lesson. But it seems not. A Graduate Fog reader spotted a new advert for a ‘Constituency Intern’ posted on the notorious W4MP website used by many MPs for recruiting young, unpaid staff. Despite listing several must-haves including “team working, computer and writing skills and an understanding of confidentiality”, and “an energetic can-do attitude” the salary is stated as ‘None — volunteer’. (Why they would need those things if they are only work shadowing is not made clear). Here it is:
You may have spotted that there is one thing that’s new about this advert — that weird bit at the bottom about set hours and responsibilities. Is Leech making an effort to get it right on interns at last? If so, we’re still not sure he’s managed it. So we decided to report him to HMRC and let them figure it out. Our correspondence did not start well. Like most HMRC staff, our contact spoke largely in riddles and was keen to “chat” on the phone rather than write anything down. But we did manage to get him to confirm in writing his office’s pledge to look into all allegations of wrongdoing, which presumably includes this one. But it’s worth showing you how difficult it is to get a straight answer from these people, when trying to submit evidence to HMRC about unpaid internships. When we emailed our initial complaint, our contact at HMRC responded with this:
From: HMRC To: Graduate Fog I can confirm I have received your e-mail. I would like the opportunity to chat with you about this referral but unfortunately I am out of the office most of this week. I have some availability on Friday morning. Would you be free on Friday morning and is there a number I may contact you at? Regards
We wrote back:
From: Graduate Fog To: HMRC I would prefer to keep our communications to email if that’s okay. I look forward to hearing more from you later this week. thanks again, Tanya
He said:
From: HMRC To: Graduate Fog I write further to your original e-mail dated 6th June and my response dated 10th June. You did make reference to additional information which I am quite happy to receive from you. I did suggest a conversation with you clarifying the HMRC position on the entitlement of volunteers and interns to the national minimum wage may prove beneficial. If you care to provide a contact number I can call you otherwise I am available on my office and mobile numbers both Tuesday and Wednesday of this week. Kindest regards
We said:
From: Graduate Fog To: HMRC It seems you missed my email (pasted below) in which I explained that I would prefer to keep our discussion to email, for the sake of clarity. Once again, I would be grateful if you could just answer this question: Will these nine adverts be investigated by HMRC or not? Having campaigned on internships for four years, I feel I have a fairly good grasp of the minimum wage law. If you do not feel that these interns would qualify as a ‘worker’ (who should be paid the minimum wage) and will therefore not be investigating, then I would be grateful if you could briefly explain on what grounds they do not qualify. Thank you. Tanya PS I sent you a Dropbox invitation from where you can view the nine adverts. I am unclear on whether you have received this and have access to these documents, can you please confirm?
He then said:
From: HMRC To: Graduate Fog Further to your e-mail from earlier this afternoon. Again I can confirm receipt of all e-mails. I did also receive a DropBox invitation; unfortunately HMRC Computing restrictions do not permit access to DropBox. I would advise that HMRC cannot confirm nor deny whether we are investigating any individual due to our duty of taxpayer confidentiality. We take any allegations of wrongdoing very seriously and investigate all allegations as far as is necessary You will notice I have copied my colleague Sara into our communications. Sara works within our corporate communications team. Further communications on this matter should be directed via Sara who will be happy to provide a contact number. Kind regards
Painful, isn’t it? As HMRC can’t handle Dropbox (?!), we then emailed each advert as an attachment, which we understand were received. The prospect of more cloak-and-dagger jibberish from HMRC’s corporate communications team didn’t appeal hugely, so we decided to leave it there. What next? If HMRC’s current form is anything to go by, we can expect a long period of deafening silence, punctuated by ongoing refusals to supply us with any kind of update on this case. The next time a list of minimum wage dodgers is published, either Leech’s name will be on it (unlikely), or it won’t (likely). If it isn’t, we’ll have absolutely no way of finding out what happened with the investigation. Did it even happen? Although some improvements have been made, Graduate Fog feels strongly that HMRC still has a long way to go on improving efficiency and transparency when it comes to the system for reporting unpaid internships. From where we’re standing, HMRC’s cherished commitment to “taxpayer confidentiality” is still prioritised way above “the right of interns to be paid a legal wage for their work” and “the right of the public to know what the hell is going on at HMRC”. More often than not, we hear about payouts when former interns contact us directly. Otherwise we would never know. Are they actually doing these investigations – or just putting our emails straight in the bin? Why is it so hard to get a straight answer from anyone who works there? Why is non-payment of the minimum wage (including internships) being treated as a tax issue, when really it is a legal issue? Why doesn’t the public get to know what’s going on? And is it really so hard to create an investigation system that works for everyone?
Having interned in an MPs office it is most definitely real work. It is gopher work but it is stuff that genuinely needs doing.
I think the bit about set hours and responsibilities is something W4MP put on fairly recently in response to the complaints about the site being infested with adverts for unpaid work. It hasn’t changed much though.
I suspect HMRC is doing very little. Have there been many – or any – prosecutions for breaking NMW law. And not wanting to reply in writing seems evasive. Though surely phone calls can be recorded?
HMRC are absolutely useless when it comes to enforcing the minimum wage. The online advice they give is worse than useless and their investigations take months and months and complainants are dealt with appallingly badly.
Furthermore they simply don’t seem to care about public opinion of their appalling performance.
When will anyone ever do anything about unpaid workers/interns?
On 24th June I wrote to Jenny Willott, Minister for Employment Relations and Consumer Affairs, following her ‘naming and shaming’ article. I await her response…
Dear Jenny Willott,
I was pleased to see that more employers are being named and shamed for not paying the National Minimum Wage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27751722
I would be interested to know why you do not name Parliament itself in this list, which continues to advocate (or at least tolerate) the use of unpaid interns …
“Many graduates become interns for an MP, Lord or a political organisation (who recruit and employ them directly). Internships are usually unpaid, though many receive expenses. This is a popular route to gain experience for future careers.”
The above appears on the parliamentary website illustrated.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/working/mp/
I have no doubt that you are familiar with your government’s law
https://www.gov.uk/employment-rights-for-interns
So how many unpaid interns are currently working illegally in parliament? Is there some parliamentary exemption of which I am unaware? If not, according to HMRC they will be able to reclaim the money they are legally owed over the past 6 years. https://www.gov.uk/am-i-getting-minimum-wage. I would rather like to be assured that they will receive what they are legally due, wouldn’t you?
“Business minister Jenny Willott said: “If employers break the law they need to know they will face tough consequences.” I have high hopes that you will ensure that ALL your parliamentary colleagues set an appropriate example and observe the laws of the land.
I look forward to hearing from you
There is an element of Gaming The System….but, dont expect HMRC to do anything, particularly with Lin Homer in control. She was previously with the Department of Transport, failed, but rather than be sacked, was simply made Someone Else’s Problem. Unfortunately, HMRC ended up with her.
Hi all, some interesting tweets from Alex, the intern who got the ‘job’ and is currently working in John Leech’s office. His Twitter handle is @ahwmyleg
I can see why People are angry but there are much worse things to be worrying about.
I’m part of a great team and it’s hardly slave labour, I’m enjoying what I do and I’m not exploited in the slightest.
I can’t afford it, so I’ve gone out and got a job to support it. I’m absolutely fine with that.
I don’t wholeheartedly agree with not being paid however I’d rather the money goes towards helping constituents.
I work in a shop. Without this internship I would have found it very hard to break into the privileged bubble of Westminster.
Thoughts?
Tanya, was your theology degree at Durham worth it? Interesting to know your thoughts…
What Alex may not understand is that once he(?) has completed his internship he will still struggle to get a researcher position as they demand a year of Parliamentary experience – something that a 3 or 6 month internship does not provide.
I sent 30 applications to MPs after completing my internship and got nowhere.
It may help more broadly with politics/public affairs roles though.
“I’d rather the money goes towards helping constituents.”
…such as via a full time paid internship with their local MP? Oh, you’ve already undercut them?…erm… #haven’tthoughtitthrough
A graduate who lacks the skills, experience and contacts to command a salary from an MP should no more be paid for his time as an intern than some beer bellied bloke in a pub football team should be paid by Man City.
@Nicholas It was psychology, not theology. And I was lucky enough to be the last year of students who didn’t pay any tuition fees at all. It has been a good thing to have under my belt but I can’t say it’s directly contributed to any career success I’ve had really. And if I’d paid £27k for it I’d have serious questions about that…
What do we do about this?
http://www.indeed.co.uk/Unpaid-Internship-jobs-in-London